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How they would begin to change the way he saw the world. He was even less prepared for the fallout when he was outed on the college message board and how much it would hurt him. In the chaos that followed, amid the screaming for his head or at the very least his expulsion, a few quieter voices spoke up and suggested an alternative to ostracization or outright physical assault.
One of those people was Matthew Stevenson who'd gotten into the habit of hosting a weekly Shabbatt dinner in his dorm for anyone who wanted to join. When he extended an invitation to Derek and Derek accepted he took the first step toward shedding a lifetime of hatred.
It wasn't easy. It didn't happen over night and the cost is something Derek carries with him every day. But it happened. This book made me think and it made me hopeful. Because if Derek can change and turn his astounding intellect and heart toward fighting for the very things he spent his whole life railing against, if he could turn against a beloved family and an audience of thousands who hung on his every word and trade it all in for death threats and disownment then it absolutely is possible for this country to turn back from the path it is on.
Please read this book. It doesn't matter who you are or who you voted for or what you believe in. This book is vital to understanding that anyone can change when we take the time to talk to each other and really listen to the answers to the questions we ask. We have to take our rage and our righteous indignation and do something with it. Its not enough anymore to just get angry and use the right hashtags and speak truth through bumper stickers and flags.
We have to start engaging with the people we want to change. If we really want things to be different then we need to stop preaching to the converted. We need to stop preaching period. We need to talk and we need to listen. We don't have to be defined by our ideologies, not if we don't want to be. Derek proves that it doesn't matter how you were raised or what you believe in the very fiber of your being is true.
It isn't easy, it doesn't feel good or even seem like its worth it some of the time. It hurts and people will scream in your face that you're an idiot and that you're wasting your time, and you might feel like you're failing right up until the very end but it is possible to bridge the deepest, widest divide and lead someone out of the darkest, most vile way of seeing the world. Derek proves that. View all 18 comments. Nov 04, Elyse Walters rated it it was amazing Shelves: audiobook. Library overdrive Audiobook….
Author Eli Saslow gives us the fuller unabridged story. This is an audio-listening-magnet …. An eye-opener that Library overdrive Audiobook…. An eye-opener that gave me a glimmer of hope for future.
Many thanks to Amy — I took a chance on this book due to her powerful review. I highly recommend it. View all 7 comments. I would rate this book 3. The book tells about a transformation which occurred in the life of white supremacist Derek Black. Derek had been considered a rising star in the white nationalist movement.
Godson of former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke and son of Don Black, creator of the white supremacist website, Stormfront, Derek Black had been enveloped in this community of white supremacists from the time he was a young child. Not wanting Derek to attend public schools inappropriate because they were integrated and 'liberal' , the Blacks decided he would be home-schooled. This task fell mainly to Don Black, who frequently traveled to white nationalist conferences and took his young son with him.
Derek Black was so much a part of this community that at the age of 10, he created a website for children which featured racist and anti-Semitic songs and games; and this site was so popular that it attracted over a million visitors. And when Derek got older, he co-hosted a radio show with his father in which they advocated for a 'whites-only country'.
I believe it is fair to say that not only was Derek Black completely immersed in the ideology and culture of white supremacy but he was also completely sheltered from interacting with anyone who didn't share his beliefs.. Upon arriving in Sarasota to attend the New College of Florida in , Derek must have experienced culture shock. The New College is described as 'liberal' and diverse which was a much different environment for Derek to find himself in as he had spent his life surrounded only by white people who shared a particular ideology.
Interestingly, Derek became friends with a number of people outside of his comfort zone, one of whom was a Jewish student who invited him to share Shabbat dinners every Friday evening. Needless to say, Derek Black kept his ideology to himself when he arrived at New College. He seemed to be living a kind of double life And at the same time, he continued to work in the 'family business' of white supremacy. His ability to lead his double life came to an end though This student shared links to various articles Derek had written and links to his radio show with the entire school on the college's forum.
As you might expect, Derek's views caused a controversy across campus and he became an overnight pariah. Some students refused to speak to him while others confronted him about his bigoted beliefs. He became isolated on campus Eventually, Derek met a young woman of Jewish ancestry Allison Gornick , who according to the author of this book, became instrumental in helping Derek transform his views.
Allison had heard about the controversy surrounding Derek on campus and she was curious about him. Writing about Allison's first meeting of Derek, Eli Saslow writes Derek and Allison began a friendship which later blossomed into a romance; and over the course of their relationship, Allison tirelessly and meticulously researched scientific studies and arguments which she believed countered the pseudoscience that Derek had internalized while growing up in the white nationalist movement.
For some time, it didn't seem that she was making progress At some point, however, this stalemate between them seemed to break Perhaps Derek began to change his mind because the cognitive dissonance he had been clinging to just wasn't sustainable any longer The problem for me was that Derek's change of heart.. His transformation seemed unclear and therefore, I remained skeptical of the claims made in this book. From the beginning of the book, I was bothered by the fact that Derek did not choose to tell the story of his transformation in his own words, but rather, he allowed a journalist to tell his story.
Eli Saslow did state that he spent hundreds of hours interviewing Derek Black and his family members but as I continued to read it often seemed that a great deal of what was relayed to Eli Saslow came from Allison Gornick.
Derek Black's thoughts and feelings remained elusive and I couldn't gain a clear understanding of what it was that changed for him. Derek's voice was difficult to find in this book and I couldn't shake my skepticism.
Certainly I can't prove or disprove Derek's change of heart and mind regarding the racist and bigoted views he had held for much of his life and perhaps my skepticism is unfair; but I wasn't convinced by the story put forth in this book.
There was no natural flow to the story. What I frequently felt was that the change in Derek's beliefs seemed to be a bit convenient. After all, he had been ostracized and isolated at college, The stress and loneliness of his day-to-day life must have been difficult for him to endure. Also he fell in love with a young woman who, in my view, would not have ever returned his feelings if he had not experienced a change in his ideology and clearly and publicly denounced that ideology.
And I admit that I found a comment made by Derek's father, Don to have some merit. When Don discovered that Derek was rejecting the beliefs he had been raised with, Don was convinced that this was something Derek probably needed to do to have a successful career in academia To be fair to Derek, I have to also mention that his relationship with his family has been greatly affected by his decision to publicly renounce their beliefs and this has caused him great deal of distress.
From all descriptions in the book, the family had always been close-knit; and Derek and his father had always been particularly close. In the end, I have to admit that only Derek Black knows how he truly feels and what he believes.
I WILL say that if you want a peak into the world of white nationalism, this book does provide a startling and sickening view. Although many reviews of this book have described the book as inspiring and optimistic, I can't really say that I share that view. This book confirmed for me how daunting a task it will be to change the hearts and minds of believers of this hateful ideology. View all 39 comments.
Derek Black was the future of the white nationalist movement. Derek grew up with David Duke as his godfather and spent his youth traveling with his family to white nationalist gatherings and doing a radio show with his father. Intelligent and well mannered, he represented a new future for the white nationalist movement, away from swastika armbands and white hoods and shouted slurs, and over to an in Derek Black was the future of the white nationalist movement.
Intelligent and well mannered, he represented a new future for the white nationalist movement, away from swastika armbands and white hoods and shouted slurs, and over to an intellectual appeal to so-called "race realities" and a merging with mainstream conservative politics. Derek himself ran for a seat on the Palm Beach County Republican Committee, and won, finding that white voters responded to his message if it wasn't presented specifically as white supremacist.
He was denied the seat by the committee, but the experience left him even more sure of his beliefs. Derek Black, born into white nationalism and raised to be its future leader, who is credited with coining the phrase "white genocide," was not the type of person to change his mind.
Until he did. He entered New College in Florida, determined not to let liberal academia brainwash him. But the pressures of being a high profile white nationalist in his private time, and an affable college freshman making friends with Jewish and immigrant students, was too much to bare and he tried to covertly out himself.
It turns out the news got around campus on its own, and Derek became both a pariah and the focus of intense debate. Should other students fear for their safety? Should he even be allowed on campus? Should he be chastised and shamed for his views, or was it acceptable to open a dialogue with him? What's the right thing to do when you're face to face with a white nationalist? Opening a dialogue is just what a handful of students did.
Over, of all things, a weekly Shabbat dinner, they welcomed him to the table while challenging his beliefs. It wasn't a quick transformation, and at least one student started to question just who was trying to persuade who, but Derek started to pull away from Stormfront. Then instead of just moving away from white nationalism, he openly and publicly denounced the movement. I don't know if the author is trying to suggest an open dialogue can change the minds of all white nationalists, just that this approach worked with Derek.
As I see it, Derek was born into prejudice and white supremacy was the family business. And I think the fact that he fell for one of his Shabbat dinner companions might have hastened his transformation-- not in the sense that his change is not genuine but that love can make us see things we ordinarily would not.
I'm not convinced Shabbat dinners are the answer on a broader scale. All in all, I thought this was a great book. It's interesting from opening to close, and I really wound up liking Derek. I think the author takes a balanced approach and treats everyone he writes about with respect, even Derek's NeoNazi parents. I highly recommend. Nov 21, Bookishrealm rated it really liked it Shelves: books-read-in , non-fiction , audiobook. I clearly have a thing for reading difficult books which is why my reading has slowed down so much this month.
Please be aware that this book is about a former white nationalist. Keep your mental health in mind when reading this book.
Another book about white nationalism. Part of me wonders why I keep reading these books because it can be infuriating, but another part of me wants to understa I clearly have a thing for reading difficult books which is why my reading has slowed down so much this month. Part of me wonders why I keep reading these books because it can be infuriating, but another part of me wants to understand the supposed logic behind the arguments of white supremacists and white nationalists.
Rising Out of Hatred specifically follows the journey of Derek Black and how he eventually turns his back on white nationalism. This, in Black's position, was extremely radical because he was the godson of the infamous David Duke and his father was the founder of Stormfront, an extremely popular forum for white nationalists.
A lot of this book centers around Derek understand the flaws in logic of white nationalism after encountering the very people it stands against.
As I always state in any discussion about race, it is easy to make judgements about groups that you don't have to interact with. Once you put a face and name to the very human rights you're trying to destroy things get a little tricky. And this is exactly what happened with Black. While attending college, he befriended the very individuals his family hated. He became educated on the actual statics regarding marginalized group and realized that he had everything wrong.
This book doesn't absolve Black of anything that he has done. In fact, it begs the reader to see how even with his removal from white nationalism, Black has influenced hundreds of young individuals making their way into white nationalism.
It goes to show the nasty, lingering affects harmful rhetoric can have. I think for me it was interesting to see how flawed Black was in his debating. He often stuck to "talking points" when he was able to extend the conversation further. It made me think "do these people truly believe what they're are saying?
Those who identify as white nationalist often do not do so in public and they also do not use overt racist terms. They use rhetoric that often coincides with anti-immigration laws or disenfranchisement.
It's crazy how many people who are current US politicians actually identify with white nationalist beliefs. Overall, I thought that this was done well. It was difficult realizing all of the hateful information that Black passed around as a child, but I also know who his parental supervisors were. From a humane side of all of this, I know that it must have been hard for Black to lose all of his family.
While they are hateful, racists, and bigoted they are the only family he has ever known. But he made the tough decision to do what was right and I commend him for that.
I'll definitely be looking for more stories like this one. If you're looking for an interesting non-fiction book I would recommend checking this out.
View 1 comment. I work at a school that is predominately Latino. There used to be a young white teacher that had a flag hung up in her room that had a snake coiled up on it with the phrase, "Don't Tread on Me" across the bottom. My association with this flag and phrase connected to the Tea Party and the ideology of white nationalism. One morning I went in to her room and asked her about it.
I explained my only associations with this flag. She explained how she came to purchase it and that she had no idea the ph I work at a school that is predominately Latino. She explained how she came to purchase it and that she had no idea the phrase had been adopted by the Tea Party as a source of outrage at the state of affairs in the U.
I left the room not truly convinced, but glad I had the conversation. This teacher never took her flag down, but she made an effort to cover the "Don't Tread on Me" phrase at the bottom of it by strategically placing books and other items in front of it. The phrase remained covered for rest of that school year.
When we returned the following school year, the phrase was on full display again. I offer up this story because when I kept speaking with my husband about it, he replied, "That's better than what most people typically do if they are racist. At least you know where she stands. This book elucidates how Trump came in to power with the help of a silent majority. Every person I speak to, with the exception of very few, is shocked that Trump is president, convinced he will be ousted at any moment.
And yet, there he is looking down on all of us. Many people won't admit adhering to the underlying racism that he promotes, but ah they must. Derek Black is a young man that was brought up in an insular world of white nationalism. His father, Don Black, is the founder of the website Stormfront which espouses racial superiority and the invasion of minorities to the U. At the age of twenty, Black goes off to a liberal arts college in Florida in hopes of justifying his place in the white nationalist movement with a credible degree from a credible school.
But Black is slowly brought up against the realities of the vitriol he has spewed on both the Stormfront website and the radio show he co-hosts with his father. At college, he meets people of color, gay people and Jewish people that turn his worldview sideways.
He must reckon with his beliefs in ways he has never had to do in his own home and in his small world of white nationalists. Once Black makes the decision to denounce the white nationalist movement, he takes the risk of losing his family and friends in the only community he has known his entire life.
Black changes his name in an effort to become anonymous and rebuild his life without the history of hate. David Duke is Black's godfather, so we hear the influence he has had on the Black family. I couldn't put this book down as I read it. I had to share its contents with everyone I spoke to in the few days I read it. I feel that it's an important reminder that we not become complacent in our politics and in our daily awareness of racial equity in this country.
View all 20 comments. Sep 17, Michelle rated it it was amazing Shelves: ebooks , netgalley , reviewed. With the presidential election and unexpected win of Donald Trump, information and news of White Nationalism reached an increased level of public awareness. Black was raised in a culture of intolerance, racism, and hate by his father-- a former grand wizard of the KKK, and the notorious national spokesman and Klan With the presidential election and unexpected win of Donald Trump, information and news of White Nationalism reached an increased level of public awareness.
Black was raised in a culture of intolerance, racism, and hate by his father-- a former grand wizard of the KKK, and the notorious national spokesman and Klansman leader David Duke. Only the persistant and dedicated efforts of his ethnic and minority friends prompted Derek to examine, question and ultimately denounce the values and beliefs of which he was raised associated with White Supremacy.
When Derek arrived at the New College of Florida , the highest rated transformative liberal arts college in the state it was easy for him to blend in.
He enjoyed his friendships with minority students and the companionship of his Jewish girlfriend, Rose. At large meetings and conventions Nationalist members, speakers and leaders congregated in secrecy under aliases and assumed names to protect themselves against attacks and potential violence.
In his senior year at New College, Tom McCay was working on his senior project on domestic extremism. The outrage against him was severe. On the school forum Derek received a deluge of hate mail, was openly heckled and shunned. Rose wondered if Derek was using her for cover, and refused to see him again. Derek was attracted to Allison, and although Allison found his Stormfront ideology and posts disturbing and offensive, there was something about him she liked and trusted.
Don had raised his only son to take his place on Stormfront and become a great White Supremacist leader. Derek received threats from a few radical members of the movement, and changed his name before he moving to Michigan to pursue graduate studies, and later he would attend the University of Chicago to earn a PhD. Don, heartbroken and in poor health, spent hours with Saslow in recorded interviews for this outstanding and exceptionally researched book.
I've seen the evil and the damage done a little bit of it in everyone Nearly perfect, and one I consider a must-, read. Thought-provoking and enlightening on white supremacy ideas and propaganda in the U. The book also reminded me of the benefits and blessing of a higher education that includes the liberal arts. Further, it stands as a tribute to those college classmates of a young white nationalist leader, who are Jewish, gay, or of another race, courageous, kind and selfless enough to befriend this enemy and help to slowly and eventually transform his mind, via friendship and the art of gentle, subtle and patient persuasion.
Highly recommended. View all 3 comments. Two years ago I read a Washington Post article, written by Saslow, about Derek Black's departure from white nationalism. Black's rise out of white nationalism would not have occurred if it were not for his college friends who talked and s Two years ago I read a Washington Post article, written by Saslow, about Derek Black's departure from white nationalism. Black's rise out of white nationalism would not have occurred if it were not for his college friends who talked and shared with him research debunking his racist views.
We need more people like them to help in the struggle of tamping down racism. The father of one of Derek's friends said it best when he said that we need to "reach out and extend the hand, no matter who's waiting on the other side". We've all heard the expression "be the change you want to see in the world. But eventually, she decided to take a risk. She started replying to each message and inviting the senders to meet and engage in dialogue over coffee.
And with time, understanding, and patience, she began to make a difference, both in the lives of those who hated her before even meeting her, and in her own life. Discover the journey behind the Dialogue Coffee Ted Talk with over a million viewers. In Rebel Ideas, discover how Southgate 'the man with the plan' replaced 50 years of hurt with two major tournament semi-finals in three years.
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Cupp exploration of how to heal a nation reeling from hate and violence. Today's extremist violence surges into our lives from what seems like every direction -- vehicles hurtling down city sidewalks; cyber-threats levied against political leaders and backed up with violence; automatic weapons unleashed on mall shoppers, students, and the faithful in houses of worship.
As varied as the violent acts are the attackers themselves -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, the alt-right, InCels, and Islamist jihadists, to name just a few. In a world where hate has united communities that traffic in radical doctrines and rationalize their use of violence to rally the disaffected, the fear of losing a loved one to extremism or falling victim to terrorism has become almost universal. Told with startling honesty and intimacy, Breaking Hate is both the inside story of how extremists lure the unwitting to their causes and a guide for how everyday Americans can win them-and our civil democracy-back.
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This provocative text focuses on predominantly white southern universities where Old South rhetoric still reverberates, empowering rebel flags to stifle racial harmony, school cheers to reinforce racial barriers, and student yearbooks to create and protect an oppressive culture of exclusion.
Across the region, in college towns like Oxford, Mississippi, Athens, Georgia, and Tuscaloosa, Alabama, communities remain locked in a difficult, recursive, and inherently rhetorical struggle wrestling with this troubling legacy. Words, images, and symbols are not merely passive artifacts of southern history, Monroe argues, but formative agents that influence human behavior and shape historical events.
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He charts examples of such rhetoric at work in southern universities from Reconstruction to the present day. Tracing the long life and legacy of Old South words and symbols at southern universities, this book provides close and nuanced analysis of the rhetorical conflicts that have resulted at places like the University of Mississippi and the University of Missouri. Some conflicts erupted during the civil rights movement, when the first African American students pushed their way into all-white southern universities and colleges, and others are brewing now, as African Americans and their progressive white peers begin to cement genuine agency and voice in these communities.
Tensions have been, and remain, high. Remnants of the old majority continue to recruit modern adherents. The white majority may be in decline by many measures, but it is also powerful and resilient, still standing guard in defense of Old South traditions. Ultimately, Monroe offers hope and optimism, contending that if words and symbols can be used to damage and divide, then words and symbols can also be used to heal and unify.
Rising Out of Hatred tells the story of how white-supremacist ideas migrated from the far-right fringe to the White House through the intensely personal saga of one man who eventually disavowed everything he was taught to believe, at tremendous personal cost.
With great empathy and narrative verve, Eli Saslow asks what Derek Black's story can tell us about America's increasingly divided nature. Books Rising Out Of Hatred.
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